video : an advocate for veganism defending his beliefs about animals and morality

2018
 

Terry UniGeezer Peterson :

Vegans are hypocrites.

Trekkie Junk :

Ok, i admit i didn’t finish the whole video before i commented before this. I finally finished it. And after listening to the last 3 minutes, i am quite confident i will never watch a Marcel video again. Watching the vegan get frustrated because he was tired of repeating himself, and listening to Marcel ask stupid questions like, ‘Well, we don’t KNOW that plants don’t have feelings’ just made my brain hurt. Hey vegan, do YOU have a channel on youtube? I’m not a vegan, but your thought-out, logically consistent arguments make me want to hear you interview people like Marcel who simply don’t have a clue.

Trekkie Junk :

Marcel’s ‘gotcha’ type questions (which really aren’t) just don’t work. Marcel’s arguments are not well thought through, and he’s focusing on the wrong questions. Frankly, it makes him look a little simple-minded. The vegan comes across sounding much more well-spoken, with thought out ideas that are internally consistent. I’m not a vegan, but if i were ever to become one, the vegan’s arguments are the type of thought process that would nudge me that way.

Also, the vegan ends up repeating himself on the same things, over and over again, because Marcel keeps asking the same questions. And because he doesn’t like the answer, he acts astounded, and repeats the question. See, this is what happens when you have someone who thinks so simple-mindedly, and doesn’t try to genuinely understand someone else’s view before you try to knock them down. Marcel came in with certain assumptions, and has trouble adapting when the answers he gets are not the ones he wanted. Ok, time to go marinate my chicken for dinner tonight.

K D100 :

Marcel, you just succeeded in making yourself look silly here. Stop trying to “trick” people, and don’t be disingenuous when you argue. If someone asks you if you think it’s OK to factory farm humans and you say “yes,” it just means you aren’t taking the argument seriously.

Scott Shippers :

This gentleman did a really good job of explaining complex questions posed to him by you Marcel. To differentiate sentience between animals and plants is important and in defense of harm and intentions is relevant. Defense /self preservation is paramount when considering choices to kill a person vs a vector. Plants are not sentient and if you were to say otherwise, people that consume sentient animals, kill plants to feed them to animals that they consume. There is no justification to consuming animals when applying moral standards (as well being) of a sentient organism. Not killing an insect is a vegan’s best interest to the best of our abilities. Driving to work to survive in culture(s) means that thousands of not millions of insects will die over time during transit. This is an example of why there exists k-selected vs r-selected traits in species. And thank you Marcel for what you do! I have learned much by your approach to truth

Joseph Keenan :

The problem is when someone is living in a society or class where going without food is not an issue it’s easy to choose to be a fussy eater. If you are or grow up piss poor you don’t have the choice to be vegan, vegetarian, organic, antiGMO or any other type of rich white fussy eater.

Sorry to any other ethnicities but vegans and other fussy eaters seem to be either well off white people (who smoke too much pot) or Indians. Areas where food scarcity (including American inner cities and rural places like Appalachia) there isn’t.

Frederik Huber :

I like this guy. He argues calmly and rationaly.
I’m disappointed that you would out of reflex say stuff like “I would support an industry that kills and tortures people if I liked the taste of human meat.”
Come on man. You want your interlocutor to be honest, so be a good example an be honest yourself.

Abbie Minchew :

marcel you sound ignorant just gonna say that now. also I didn’t know you were a plants’ rights activist lmfao.

chris angel :

I think the arguement of eating plants vs. Human vegetables, is comparing apples and oranges (pun is intentional, lol). To level the playing field, the plants would have to be proven to be sentient to start, or the human meat wasn’t sentient to start (which he ok’d meat grown in a lab). The variable of the sentient life being re-established is the kicker! Hard one tho, I agreed with both sides!

Danothebananovitch96 :

It takes 16 times as much plant matter to feed the animals we eat as opposed to just eating the plants directly. So if you care about plant lives, even more reason to go vegan.

I think he was doing a great job answering the questions. To sum up the moral argument:

We know morality is subjective (even though it’s ultimately based on overall wellbeing). the moment you are going to take any moral position (bootstrapping) like ‘killing humans is bad’, if you eat meat (or other animal products that drive those cruel industries) you have to #namethetrait a.k.a. ‘what traits do the animals you (indirectly) kill have (name all of them) which if present in humans would justify killing those humans?’

So after you’ve named all those traits (for example lack of intelligence and future-concept) you then ask yourself if it is justified to kill a human with all those traits (so we’re talking about a retarded human with the same intelligence and future-concept as a cow). If you say ‘no’ to that you create a double standard (because in fact you say that a lack of intelligence and future concept both does and doesn’t justify murder). If you say ‘yes’ to that you’re perfectly consistent but are giving up on basic human rights and might come across as a psycho to most people.

To learn more about this I recommend you check out the YouTube channel ‘Ask Yourself’ and also watch some of the debates he had.

Myles Raymond :

Ugh, the interviewer is damn intellectually dishonest.

Chloe :

I liked what this guy had to say. Great discussion

Lysander Lives Here :

Moral relativity. All this is, is a semantic argument which has been projected onto an ideology. Otherwise known as a religious belief. Otherwise known as talking out of his arse. Otherwise known as bullshit.

Mike C :

I don’t trust anyone who wont eat a hamburger. But seriously, always love your videos.

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